Angels & Snakes5

A CONVERSATION: Lon & Elijah -- Part 2

Elijah>"Abundance" of anything -- Love, compassion, wisdom, knowledge, material possessions, power, etc. -- indicates that "supply exceeds the demand." We as a people or nation can either horde our "abundant wealth" -- or we can share with those who are lacking through a variety of means.

Lon>"Substitute any state of being you can imagine or devise. It will still hold that Beingness precedes experience, and produces it."

Elijah>Your premise is the "foundation" upon which you have built your "house" of straw. Our "state of being" is an extension of God -- to a higher or lower degree -- and the "experience" is recognized -- to a higher or lower degree -- only when our "awareness" equates to the "circumstances."

Lon>"Because you have not understood this, you have imagined that certain things must occur in order for you to be happy -- and you also imagine a God for whom the same is true."

Elijah>To be "happy" -- in my humble opinion -- is to be totally conformed to God. Like a drop of water in an ocean, I hope to be One with Him. I am the drop; He is the ocean.

Lon>"Yet if God is First Cause, what can occur that God did not cause in the first place?"

Elijah>I agree that, as you put it, "God is the First Cause." However, Lucifer was given certain powers along with personal freedom to make choices. This "perversion" of God's purpose and desires has brought into existence the very "circumstances" which answers your above question: "What can occur that God did not cause in the first place?" Everything that runs contrary to Truth, Love and Beauty -- which are the deeper realities to all things good -- are a result of Satan's bungling attempt to make himself superior to his Creator. So, let's not be blaming God for these problems that plague us.

Lon>"And if God is all-powerful, what can occur that God does not choose to occur? Is it possible for something to occur that God cannot stop? And if God is choosing not to stop it,
is the occurrence itself not something which God is choosing? Of course it is."

Elijah>God is both "all-powerful" and "patient." Just because God has allowed Satan a "season" to do his deeds without interference from the Master Himself does not mean that this is an eternal state of reality. In reading the Bible, we understand that we are now living
in the final generation which is leading to Armageddon. Satan's days are numbered and diminishing rapidly. The evil "occurrences" will be stopped!

Lon>"Yet why would God choose things to occur that would make God unhappy? The answer is an answer that you cannot accept. Nothing makes God unhappy."

Elijah>Many things make God unhappy. He grieves when we rebel against His Laws. JOHN 11:35 -- "Jesus wept." MARK 3:4,5 -- "And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, ...being grieved...
for the hardness of their hearts..." Jesus is God -- and He was not always happy.

Lon>"You cannot believe this because it would require you to believe in a God without need or judgment, and you cannot imagine such a God. The reason that you cannot imagine such a God is that you cannot imagine such a human. You do not believe that YOU can live that way -- and you cannot imagine a God who is greater than you. When you understand that you can live that way, then you will know all there is to know about God."

Elijah>I can believe many things, because I believe in a God who has desires and has
a "need" to create to be happy. Since I do not "imagine" anything, but am only a conduit through which spirits flow, I can believe that all humankind experiences desires -- and that
each of us need God to be achieve contentment. I know that God is greater than me and
that I will never be God or transcend to His level of omnipotent awareness.

Lon>"From the creation of a dependent God, people produce a cultural story in which God has an agenda. In other words, there are things God wants and needs to occur, and ways in which they must occur, in order for God to be happy. The idea that God had a will forced us to then try to figure out what His will was. This exercise quickly made it clear that there was no universal agreement among our species on this point. And if not everyone knew, or agreed on, what God's will was, not everyone could possibly be doing God's will."

Elijah>It is beyond the capacity of human intellect to comprehend the ultimate reality of eternity or infinity as it pertains to God and His domain. We cannot fathom the concept of a God that was not created or did not have an origin -- because we are a part of a creation that has both beginnings and endings. The "cultural stories" that came into existence throughout human history are not "human creations" -- but are manifestations of Truth (sometimes with omissions and distortions) that merely came into this dimension of Life
as a result of Spiritual inspiration. To regard humans as just one of the many "species" presently inhabiting this planet does take into consideration the enormous -- unique -- characteristics of a soul. Animals do not have "souls" or the God-given potential that humankind possesses. The lack of "agreement" among people has more to do with the natural evolution of intellectual development and confusion resulting from deception than proving or disproving the "will" of God.

Lon>"The cleverest among us used this rationale to explain why some people's lives seemed to work better than others. But then we forced a new question: How could it be possible for God's will not to be done if God was God?"

Elijah>God is God -- not you and not me! He has given us freedom to make choices. He is not a dictator. He does not force His authority upon us. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

Lon>"Clearly, there was a flaw in the First Illusion. This should have revealed the idea of Need as false. But we knew at some very deep level that we could not give up the illusion,
or something very vital would come to an end. And we were right. But we made a mistake. Instead of seeing the Illusion as an illusion, and using it for the purpose for which it was intended, we thought we had to fix the flaw. Thus, it was to fix the flaw in the first illusion
that the second illusion was created...the illusion of failure...that God can need something and not have it...that God's will can be thwarted..."

Elijah>There are flaws in all illusions. Anything that departs from the Truth -- from
the reality of God -- from the Laws of God -- should be regarded as an "illusion." I do not recommend that we expose our minds to consideration of "illusions" that purport to diminish the clarity of God's Holy Word. Contrary philosophies, deceptive theories, hypothetical generalities, false religions, etc... are not helping us achieve planetary peace and tranquillity. Even though we have managed to "thwart" the will of God temporarily, let's not be so egotistical as to think we are self-sufficient -- or so fragile that we are at the mercy of the elements. The very Life within us is God being God -- even though sometimes we
choose to falsely identify Him.

Lon>" 'Have I not said, ye are gods?'

Elijah>The idea of "gods" can mean many different things to many different people. Elvis
is a god to some; money is a god to some; political power is a god to some; sex is a god to some, etc. Even so, there is only One true God!

JOHN 10:33-38 -- "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods , unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemes; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."

EXODUS 20:3 -- "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Lon>"Jesus message was not that He alone was perfect, He said "all these things that I do, you shall also do, AND MORE" We are the living word. Life is a creation, not a discovery. You do not live each day to discover what it holds for you, but to create it."

Elijah>Jesus was telling us that we will do what He did and we will do more than He did -- because once we conform ourselves to Him, we will have the ability to do as He does. During eternity, we will be like Him. Jesus is presently in a "body" that is not corruptible "biological" flesh and is not solely Spirit -- but is designed to exist in both Heaven and on Planet Earth. Has anyone you know walked on water lately? The answer is "No" -- because we are not
yet conformed to God. Even so, "faith" can make all things possible!

Lon>You are creating your reality every minute, probably without knowing it. Here is why that is so, and how it works:
1. God is the creator.
2. God has created you in the image and likeness of Him.
3. You are three beings in one. You can call these three aspects of being anything you want: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; mind, body, and spirit; superconscious, conscious, subconscious...
4. Creation is a process that proceeds from these three parts of your body. Put another way, you create at three levels. The tools of creation are: thought, word, and deed. (as you have said elsewhere)
5. All creation begins with thought ("Proceeds from the Father"). All creation then moves
to word ("Ask and you shall receive, speak it and it will be done unto you"). All creation is fulfilled in deed ("And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us").
6. That which you think of, but thereafter never speak of, creates at one level. That which you think of and speak of creates at another level. That which you think, speak and do becomes made manifest in your reality.

Elijah>I agree up to this point. However, to "manifest in our reality" can occur in a "spiritual" rather than a "materialistic" dimension -- and, possibly, in both dimensions for
some -- according to the purpose of God.

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7. To think, speak and do something which you do not truly believe is impossible. Therefore, the process of creation must include belief, or knowing. This is absolute faith. This is beyond hoping. This is a knowing of a certainty ("By your faith shall ye be healed"). Therefore, the doing part of creation always includes knowing. It is a gut level clarity, a total certainty, a complete acceptance as reality of something.
8. This place of knowing is a place of intense and incredible gratitude. It is a thankfulness
in advance. And that, perhaps, is the biggest key to creation. Such taking for granted before, and for, the creation. This taking for granted is not only condoned, but encouraged. It is the sure sign of mastery. All masters know in advance that the deed has been done.

Elijah>Here again, I agree up to a point. The desire on your part to be God-like, to be a "Creator" or to presume that we as humans have the ability to cause "creation" instead of merely to "accept" this act of God through our being seems to be the result of pride, ego, fulfilling the "need" to assert ourselves upon environments, etc. As I have said before, I choose to let God be God through me.

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9. Celebrate and enjoy all that you create, have created. To reject any part of it is to reject
a part of yourself. Whatever it is that is now presenting itself as part of your creation, own it, bless it, claim it, be thankful for it. Seek not to condemn it ("God _ _ _ _ it!"), for to condemn
it is to condemn yourself."

Elijah>I disagree. In fact, I have come to a point in my existence where I resist the urge to take "credit" for anything that I do which would be interpreted as "imaginative" -- "creative" -- "visionary" -- and in many instances, I have seen others receive public recognition and monetary compensation for "concepts" that first saw the light of day when I spoke them into existence. The idea of "copyrighting" messages seems like a practical, logical, intelligent thing to do if I ever expect to benefit from my unpublished manuscripts, unpublished songs, unpublished works of art, etc. Yet I do not aspire to fame or fortune -- and so I give what I have freely to those who receive. As to "condemnation," the only part of our lives that
should be condemned would be anything that is contrary to the will of God.

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10. If there is some aspect of creation you find you do not enjoy, bless it and simply change it. Choose again. Call forth a new reality. Think a new thought. Say a new word. Do a new thing. Do this magnificently and the rest of the world will follow you. Ask it to. Call for it to. Say, "I am the Life and the Way, follow me." This is how to manifest God's will "on earth as
it is in heaven." This is the way life works, for all of us. Some of us are using the "system" consciously, with full awareness, and some of us are using it unconsciously, without even knowing what we are doing. Some of us are walking in wakefulness, and some of us are sleepwalking. Yet all of us are creating our reality -- creating, not discovering -- using the power God has given us, and the process I have just described."

Elijah>We are not only using the above "concept" successfully to fulfill the purposes of God, but there are many in this world who use these "spiritual laws" to fulfill the purposes of Satan. "Faith" can make an impact in our Life for either Good or Evil.

Lon>"And so, ask yourself what you want in life -- and then become very clear in your thinking about it. Think about what you want to be, do and have. Think about it often until you are very clear about this. Then, when you are very clear, think about nothing else. Imagine no other possibilities. Throw all negative thoughts out of your mental constructions. Lose all pessimism. Release all doubts. Reject all fears. Discipline your mind to hold fast to the original creative thought. When your thoughts are clear and steadfast, begin to speak them as truths. Say them out loud. Use the great command that calls forth creative power;
"I am." Make I-am statements to others. "I am" is the strongest creative statement in the universe. Whatever you think, whatever you say, after the words "I am" sets into motion those experiences, calls them forth, brings them to you. There is no other way the universe knows how to work. There is no other route it knows to take. The universe responds to "I am" as would a genie in a bottle. In order to do this, you must harness your thoughts, exercise control over them. Become conscious of your thoughts. It is a matter of discipline. Not
a question of intent. The first step is learning to monitor your thoughts, to think about what you are thinking about. When you catch yourself thinking negative thoughts -- thoughts that negate your highest idea about a thing -- think again! Do this, literally. If you think you are in a doldrums, in a pickle, and no good can come of this, think again. If you think the world is a bad place, filled with negative events, think again. If you think your life is falling apart, and it looks like you'll never get it back together again, think again. You can train yourself to do
this. Look how well we've all trained ourselves not to do it!"

Elijah>I agree that we have the power to manifest the reality of our choices for either Good or Evil. However, I do not desire to use my power to make your choices or to change your circumstances -- unless you decide to cooperate. God does not force people to conform to His ways.

Lon>"Yet at the end of your life will you know that nothing you have done will matter - only who you have been while you have done it."

Elijah>There will be no "end" to my Life, because my Life is eternal. When my soul departs this fleshly body, the history of my Life on this planet will make a difference and it will matter to God -- who upon evaluation will determine whether I qualify for Heaven or Hell. (I will not attempt to define Heaven or Hell at this time).

Lon>"Have you been happy? Kind? Gracious? Caring? Compassionate? and most of all loving? You will see that it is who you have been, not what you have done, that matters
to your soul. And you will see that it is your soul, that is Who You Are."

Elijah>The concept of a "soul" has been misunderstood for centuries by millions of people.
I do not have a soul; I am a soul! The same is true for you and everyone else. Ultimately,
we will either be restored to God or separated from God.

Lon>�Yet the illusion of Requirement, the idea that there are things you must do, can
serve to motivate your mind while you are with your physical body. It is useful as long as
you understand at some level that it is an illusion, and that nobody has to do anything that they don't want to do. For most people this truth is both incredibly freeing and incredibly frightening. The fear is that if we are really allowed to only do what we want, nothing that truly needs to be done would ever get done. Who would take out the garbage? Seriously.�

Elijah>First, we must somehow reach the understanding that there is no �illusion� with God. Since the word �God� has so many different interpretations, many of which are contradictory, people are often confused and will often misunderstand the �reality� of a magnificent Divine Being. Once we accept the premise -- Truth -- that God is real, the �idea� of �requirement� within the context of this understanding is an essential element in our physical and Spiritual growth.

Unnatural, rebellious �spirits� motivate many humans to resist the Will of God. They are wanting to intellectualize away �requirements� that seem to impede personal freedoms or diminish personal choices as they attempt to appease fleshly appetites. This is the root cause for most secular philosophies, false religions, and corruptible lifestyles.

The "family" structure should be treated as a separate domain from all other power groups with the eldest father as head of the household. The fathers, sons and wives with children would be a part of this community. A daughter entering into marriage with the son of a different family would leave to join the husband and his family.

There would be common usage of land, buildings, equipment and other resources. Members would be assigned certain tasks to enable a stable, creative, productive lifestyle. They would be enjoying mutual desires to sustain themselves as God intended,

The "exterior government" would be designed to support families in ways that are beyond the capacity of families -- such as maintaining international communications, trade, and security.

I would like to see worldwide systems designed to put most of the natural resources at the disposal of children who are 7 years-of-age and younger, and adults 70 years-of-age and older. This �elite� would benefit from the best of everything while the majority would be engaged in continuous educational and productive pursuits. Those who are mentally incapacitated, physically handicapped, irresponsible, lazy or merely prefer to use their talents, time and energy outside of the �system� would be guaranteed a modest, standardized lifestyle.

Every �desire� would find an �opportunity� in this order of things. The spiritual, psychological and economic aspects of this plan would assure equal opportunity, realistic motivation, security, creature comforts, personal challenges, satisfaction and worthy goals. Humankind would NOT be taught that we are here to build the world, but that the world is here to build "souls in transition."

Point 1: If we are going to offer compensation for work performed, we need laws to establish a "maximum wage" for those who are ambitious which is based on a realistic "minimum wage" for those who are content with less.

Point 2: We need to revamp the whole economic system, our culture and our American laws to support the "The 7/70 Plan." Our national resources and national institutions would assure that citizens in this age group would be treated like "kings and queens." All others within the ages of 8 through 69 would be considered "Majority Providers" with equal opportunities and shared resources. In other words, we would be taking the best of what is known as "Capitalism" and the best of "Socialism" -- merging certain aspects of both into a new
system that would function democratically.

Point 3: We need to focus on essential Life sustaining forces emanating from beyond this earthly dimension. Before we can educate, create, produce or achieve satisfaction in a meaningful way, "international endeavors" must be based on sound reasoning. As some of
us already know, God is our Source and He is our Sustainer. Without Him to inspire, guide
or protect, Americans -- along with people in all nations -- will continue to struggle without resolution to existing problems. Remember, "Without vision, people perish!"

These concepts would require a huge book to adequately offer a comprehensive outline � something I would have provided many years ago had I been given the opportunity. Using
the Bible and history as a guide, scholars could have united to formulate a plan leading to revolutionary improvement of Life on Planet Earth.

Meanwhile, since Jesus was willing to wash the feet of his disciples, emphasizing the importance of servitude to others, I'm sure that He would be the first among us to volunteer when �garbage� needs to be taken out or other chores needed to be done. Sometimes it�s not what we do, but how we do it that really matters.

Lon>�That is the question, that is the fear. We believe that, left to our own devices, we would not do what needs to be done to keep life going. This fear is unfounded. We would discover that we are pretty wonderful beings. In a community where there were no rules,
no regulations, and no requirements, there would still be plenty of people who would do the things that need to be done. The only thing that would change is not what is being done, but why it is being done. Instead of doing things because one is told they must, we would do it because we choose to. As an expression of Who We Are.�

Elijah>The question then becomes: Why do we do what we do? Resistance to authority
is common among children as well as among immature adults. Why? Where does this �rebellious spirit� come from? If we instinctively pursue only our own fleshly �appetites� without regard to the deeper significance of countless �intangibles� -- do we not risk losing our way in a maze of emotions? Once we begin to see that we are invisible and we do not need a human body to attain contentment, we will pursue these things of Life from the perspective of either God or Satan (Our only real choice).

What does Life do to a soul? What does a soul do to Life? I can make a decision to
cook a meal, put it in a basket in my car and then drive until I find homeless person on the street. I can then ask the person, �Are you hungry?� If the answer is, �Yes,� I can decide to give the basket of food as a gift and then just drive away. If I did this, how would other people interpret it? How would I feel about myself? Life in the flesh offers millions of options! Our choices matter and that should be the focus of our relationship with God or Satan. Of course, I have chosen to stand with God!

Lon>�This is, in truth, the only reason to do anything. But it reverses the entire doing-being paradigm. The way we have constructed it, one does something, and then one is something. Under the new paradigm, the one I believe Jesus tried to teach by saying �Be perfect� (among others) one is something, and then one does something. One IS happy, and then one does what a happy person does. One IS responsible, and then one does what a responsible person does. One IS perfect, and then one does what a perfect person does.�

Elijah>Whether each of us functions under the �doing-being paradigm� or the �new paradigm� is debatable. There are so many exceptions to these �rules� that it would be difficult to reach a clear-cut supposition under most circumstances. The objective/subjective reasoning among various people as they attempt to ignore, explain, define, deny, justify, etc. -- is a challenge I am not prepared to face. One example: Your �One IS happy, and then one does what a happy person does� idea could be restated to say, �One does what a happy person does to be happy� or �One IS sad, and then does what a happy person does to become happy� or �One IS happy when doing things to make others sad...� Simply put:
�If it walks like a duck, it�s a duck!� I guess this means that I lean toward your
�being-doing paradigm?

Lon>�One does not do responsible things in order to be responsible. One does not do
kind things in order to be kind. This only leads to resentment (After all I've done!), because
it assumes that all the doing will be rewarded. And that is precisely what we have deemed the purpose of heaven. Heaven has been held out as our eternal reward for all the things we have done while here on earth. And for not doing the things we were �not supposed to do.� So we have decided that there must also be a place for people who have not done good things, or who have done things they were not supposed to do. And we have called this place hell. There is no such place as hell. Hell is a state of being. It is an experience of separation form God. And imagining that you are separate from your very self and
cannot be reunited. Hell is forever trying to find yourself.�

Elijah>Intelligent people like yourself who are blessed with excessive curiosity and a greater measure of mental retention capacity, often find themselves in a whirlwind of information in need of �compartments� where it all can be stored away for occasional reference. As we meander through the hallways of personal learning, educating ourselves with the assistance of others, it is often expedient to embrace the �theories� of others rather than make the arduous effort required if we are to remain intellectually honest. The �New Age� is not new at all! It is only a hodgepodge of certain portions of old ideas that have been covered with contemporary �terms� to make it seem enticingly attractive to anyone who has been caught in the non-existent neutral zone between God and Satan. It just seems more sophisticated to disregard the promise of �Heaven� or the warnings of �Hell.�

We do not want to believe that a perfect God would do something so stupid -- so cruel -- so unreasonable as to create us and then destroy us without providing a sensible explanation. Believe me when I say, I�ve heard most all of the arguments against God, Heaven and Hell. I put these false ideas into the same category as the �sun rotating around a flat earth,� the �tooth fairy� and �Elvis is still alive� stories people tell. When we use carnal reasoning to explain Spiritual realities, it is easy to become confused.

Lon>�What we have called heaven too, is a state of being. It is the experience of Oneness, the ecstasy of reunification with All That Is. It is the knowing of the true self. There are no requirements for heaven. That is because heaven is not a place that you get to, it is a place that you are in, always. You can be in heaven (oneness with all) and not know it. Indeed, most of us are. This can be changed, but not by something you are doing. It can only be changed by something you are being. There is nothing you have to do. There is nothing
to do but be. And there is nothing to be but One.�

Elijah>If you suddenly found yourself in the dimension of God�s Divine Domain, experiencing molecular transference, moving from one location to another though instantaneous transport across the cosmos at the speed of thought, recognizing colors, sounds, sensations beyond anything of a worldly nature -- in a vision or a dream -- how would you explain this to yourself or others? If you were invisible to humans, how would you attempt to get their attention for the purpose of communication?

Lon>�The amazing thing is that when we are being One with everything, we wind up doing all the things we thought we �had to do� in order to receive the reward we thought we had to work so hard to receive. It becomes our natural will to do to, and for, others only those things that we would do to and for ourselves. And we would not do to others what we would not want done to us. When we are being One, we are realizing the idea that there is no �other.� Yet even being One is not required. You cannot be required to be what you already are. There is no such thing as requirement. Requirement does not exist. Who would do the requiring? And of whom would it be required? THERE IS ONLY GOD.�

Elijah>There is �only One God� yet He takes many forms. The ocean is a composite
of many tiny drops of water. Without the one drop that each of us provide individually, would the ocean be the same or as large? If we become a part of God by choice, becoming One with Him is a �reward� worthy of pursuit! What �joy� could be found in �separation� from the very �purpose� of our existence? As we know, there is pain when flesh meets fire -- and if there is a literal fire in Hell, would a soul suffer in the same way? Since we do not know
the �substance� that has been used by God to form a soul, we do not really know where rebellious souls need to go after evaluation -- and after Judgment. Obviously, it makes sense for God to separate Good from Evil rather than tolerating corruption eternally.

Lon>�Use the illusion of requirement to notice that there can be nothing that is truly required. You cannot know and experience freedom from requirement if you have nothing but freedom from requirement. You will seek to imagine, therefore, that certain things are required of you. This we have done very well. We have created a God who demands perfection of you, and who requires you to come to him is certain ways, through particular rituals, all of which are carefully prescribed. Having created the illusion that such requirements exist in order to acquire Gods love, we are beginning to experience the indescribable joy of knowing that none of it is necessary. You will notice this by observing that �rewards� often come to people whether they �do what they are supposed to do� or not. The same is true of what you imagine your rewards to be in your afterlife. Yet your experience in the afterlife is not a reward, it is
an outcome. It is the natural result of a natural process called Life.�

Elijah>In a very clever way, the traditions of false religions, some under the name of Christ -- along with others -- have so confused and frustrated people that many are now in a position of attempting to reconcile contradictions. In order to preserve integrity, remain true to personal convictions, abide by the �leanings� of conscience and/or continue to expand spiritual awareness, some people have had to back away from family members, friends and so-called experts. It is never easy to turn loose of old ideas.

It is never easy to find words that adequately explain new experiences. Knowing this, we must strive to remain open minded and patient as we continue our search. Just as we do not insult or condemn a child who can�t explain Einstein�s Theory of Relativity, we should never insult or condemn anyone who can�t understand or explain particular ideas about intangible realities surrounding Spirituality. In this way, we can learn from each other as Truth flows around barriers erected between God and humankind. If we're stupid, we're stupid; If we're a genius, we're a genius. Either way, we are what we are and should be treated with respect as we struggle to understand new things.

It has been a challenge and a pleasure to be engaged in this dialogue, Lon. May God guide you as you seek comprehensive clarity!

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